Subject	The argument here is:
Posted by	dpjax on January 25, 2008 at 10:03 AM
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In Reply To	I think it would be best to withhold judgement until more posted by dmv300z on January 25, 2008 at 09:48 AM
Message	small guys won't innovate and come up with new solutions to old problems if: a. the bigger companies clone the products and b. the consumers buy the cheaper knock-offs you won't influence a.
Follow Ups	good to see innovation is alive and well - aliaZ 22:11:36 01/24/08 Wow - collegeboy 22:18:20 01/24/08 By the way..how much are they? - collegeboy 22:19:18 01/24/08 $1,005 - Ahmed 22:21:42 01/24/08 What does he mean by this? - Keaner 22:48:15 01/24/08 probably assumes that if ur going to use - Alan(NJ) 22:55:20 01/24/08 That would be a foolish assumption for him to make... - Keaner 23:18:14 01/24/08 i already have the MS manis - Alan(NJ) 23:23:30 01/24/08 Yep, I'll eventually go with a similar setup. (n/m) - Keaner 23:34:00 01/24/08 Is Cryotreating really needed on cast iron manifolds? (n/m) - AZHeat 15:41:48 01/25/08 depends on the quality of the material (n/m) - aliaZ 16:40:27 01/25/08 wow (n/m) - maglito 22:18:24 01/24/08 i guess its the ultimate compliment when ur product - Alan(NJ) 22:19:02 01/24/08 I believe the saying is, "Imitation is the sincerest form of - Eric(NJ) 22:49:55 01/24/08 Mike can try competing by e.g. lowering his price, reducing - 240Z FeO2 23:16:22 01/24/08 its hard to compete when these people get their - Seb (specialty-Z) 23:26:15 01/24/08 True. I'm guessing that high end, cutting edge products - 240Z FeO2 23:43:41 01/24/08 Im going to have to disagree with you on this one: - ENVYMYZ 12:34:47 01/25/08 I reread my post-could not find the word 'majority'. 'A lot - 240Z FeO2 16:47:35 01/25/08 holy crap (n/m) - Seb (specialty-Z) 22:20:36 01/24/08 I see the difference... the logos are different. (n/m) - jcieslik 22:22:48 01/24/08 I doubt it. The casting looks - pcproa 22:26:37 01/24/08 oyyyy... I take that back - pcproa 22:28:17 01/24/08 Another one - ArubaDave 22:28:49 01/24/08 Don't make me remember that :( - TheTwinZ (Peru) 22:53:45 01/24/08 Simply amazing. Look here. - collegeboy 22:30:00 01/24/08 yeah they copied our hard work - Seb (specialty-Z) 22:32:00 01/24/08 I'm amazed - collegeboy 22:35:32 01/24/08 they're the new Megan Co. (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 22:35:42 01/24/08 Well - collegeboy 22:42:09 01/24/08 you think megan did r&d? - sfarrah 15:38:08 01/25/08 of course he doesn't... - Spee 18:18:58 01/25/08 Not too late for a patent. (n/m) - Keaner 00:12:07 01/25/08 Real enforcement either never happens or requires time and - SeedyROM 00:16:08 01/25/08 That is true. I'm truly pissed at AMS, and wish there was - Keaner 00:19:17 01/25/08 Yea but it would be easier to file a lawsuit. (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 10:43:44 01/25/08 there's no invention there, nothing to patent (n/m) - ZEngineer 07:31:56 01/25/08 Yes it is. You have up to one year to file for a patent - Dave N 14:02:46 01/25/08 Don't worry I will still only buy Specialty Z exhaust - Piranha(AZ) 11:14:43 01/25/08 i'll support SZ on the DPs when im ready - Alan(NJ) 22:33:34 01/24/08 Yup...getting ready to make a nice 3" SZ DP and TP purchase - collegeboy 22:37:50 01/24/08 yeah i would like to kno how thats legal too - Alan(NJ) 22:40:25 01/24/08 Summary... - collegeboy 22:47:54 01/24/08 Would like to see your car in person - Zleepertt(MD) 22:52:24 01/24/08 Even the big companies can't do nothing about this (n/m) - ArubaDave 23:10:22 01/24/08 yep...just ask Apple - aliaZ 23:12:54 01/24/08 oof...didn't see those - aliaZ 22:35:11 01/24/08 And what about this one ? - ArubaDave 22:38:24 01/24/08 surprised they haven't duped the 300 degree fuel rails yet - aliaZ 22:41:57 01/24/08 I looked for EXACTLY that (n/m) - collegeboy 22:42:34 01/24/08 and you kno AMS will get all the credit for it - Alan(NJ) 22:46:15 01/24/08 Vendors could limit this some by not supporting them anymore - collegeboy 22:51:46 01/24/08 I think the 300 Degree fuel rails are being copied elsewhere - zQuikonE 00:21:26 01/25/08 Although not a major product for us, I do see - kuah@splparts.com 08:36:39 01/25/08 Russell, I hope you don't help them. (n/m) - Seb (specialty-Z) 22:41:41 01/24/08 Z1 will likely be the US distributor, don't you think? (n/m) - aliaZ 22:43:10 01/24/08 well, maybe they still have some decency (n/m) - Seb (specialty-Z) 22:45:14 01/24/08 I dunno - aliaZ 22:52:24 01/24/08 yup, alot of things are making more sense these past - Seb (specialty-Z) 22:53:16 01/24/08 well this obviously answers that question - Seb (specialty-Z) 23:03:45 01/24/08 indeed (n/m) - aliaZ 23:06:58 01/24/08 i really feel like i need to vomit right now (n/m) - Seb (specialty-Z) 23:43:06 01/24/08 I think Z1 & AMS Should be Banned from TT.NET, Anyone? (n/m) - Eishozzzz 05:08:13 01/25/08 Hmm... it was going to happen sooner r later (n/m) - 550HPTT 09:37:46 01/25/08 Seriously, maybe this can help vendors not to sell their - collegeboy 22:43:24 01/24/08 i am shocked by all this - Alan(NJ) 22:43:48 01/24/08 AMS is the same as Howe or Koyo. One of them. - collegeboy 22:49:17 01/24/08 AMS core is 5mm thicker than the Koyo Core - pcproa 22:53:12 01/24/08 The sad part is that not everyone will think like you. (n/m) - ArubaDave 23:07:31 01/24/08 yep - aliaZ 23:11:36 01/24/08 Will not kill but you will see a lot of ideas/prototypes - ArubaDave 23:38:48 01/24/08 Z1 and the AMS guys were all buddy buddy at ZCON. (n/m) - Spee 23:44:38 01/24/08 shocking (n/m) - aliaZ 23:55:23 01/24/08 Does Z1 deserve to be a TT.net sponsor if they support AMS (n/m) - lewoolf2 23:56:37 01/24/08 I don't think they should. (n/m) - Keaner 23:58:48 01/24/08 Like i said Above, they should be banned from this forum - Eishozzzz 05:12:20 01/25/08 No (n/m) - ZonaZ 00:02:32 01/25/08 Not cheap to keep this place running but I'd donate again (n/m) - SeedyROM 00:27:15 01/25/08 I would donate as well... - Keaner 00:30:40 01/25/08 I will setup a Direct Deposit, Every friday. (n/m) - Eishozzzz 05:33:45 01/25/08 I think Damon and Greg tend to stay out of these things - Agner.S(CT) 00:28:28 01/25/08 *Deserve's got nothing to do with it.* Clint Eastwood - robo (sebring1970) 05:13:46 01/25/08 Like two snakes waiting in the grass. (n/m) - Spongerider :) 01:28:59 01/25/08 I wonder why?? I say Bann Z1 And AMS, Whatever Z1 Pays - Eishozzzz 05:09:39 01/25/08 I think you underestimate the cost of sponsorship. (n/m) - Kenny 12:08:28 01/25/08 annually (n/m) - CRAZZEPETE. 13:03:54 01/25/08 Yes, you are correct and we had a great time in FL. - John@z1 13:08:50 01/25/08 I don't know what to think anymore (n/m) - Zleepertt(MD) 22:50:40 01/24/08 LOL, the most honest answer I've read under this post (n/m) - robo (sebring1970) 11:17:26 01/25/08 Big 2nd. (n/m) - AbsolutZ (OH) 12:02:45 01/25/08 Wow, here's another one... - Barry'z (NJ) 23:26:51 01/24/08 Hi Barry ! - ArubaDave 23:33:07 01/24/08 Sup Dave, yeah I just saw your post ;~) - Barry'z (NJ) 23:34:54 01/24/08 copyright infringement. When i first saw their product, be - zyoulater 00:20:03 01/25/08 and if you mention this to a DSM crowd - Alan(NJ) 22:49:05 01/24/08 And that's why they spend money on Mitsubishis (n/m) - collegeboy 22:50:48 01/24/08 lol (n/m) - nemo1080 23:28:20 01/24/08 completely different AMS - tya 01:37:53 01/25/08 probably differnt plants that specialize in different cars (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 08:07:56 01/25/08 Yep, very different AMS. The IL version is a good bunch - zgene4 16:28:46 01/25/08 Vote to Sticky (n/m) - collegeboy 22:52:15 01/24/08 :::SHAKES HEAD::: ugh I'm glad i have msp manis (n/m) - EricTTZ 23:01:00 01/24/08 That sucks...Sadly, if Mike Smith didn't registered his - TheTwinZ (Peru) 23:01:48 01/24/08 Vote to ban AMS. - Got Z? 23:04:51 01/24/08 Thank God i dont have one AMS product - Alan(NJ) 23:17:12 01/24/08 Maybe the best thing that could happen is that somebody - 240Z FeO2 23:29:30 01/24/08 Ok I'll admit it...I chuckled at your post. (n/m) - collegeboy 23:33:45 01/24/08 Yep, AMS should be highly discouraged on this forum... - Keaner 23:27:48 01/24/08 Thanks for posting this. - ben7021 23:26:16 01/24/08 boycott ams!!! - mobetta002 23:36:03 01/24/08 wow (n/m) - Spee 23:39:22 01/24/08 Competition!!! (n/m) - gnozahs 23:45:14 01/24/08 Remember in middle school how it was bad to copy? (n/m) - collegeboy 23:47:44 01/24/08 Abler is competition, this is plagiarism. (n/m) - Barry'z (NJ) 23:54:32 01/24/08 yep...at least his look different (n/m) - aliaZ 23:56:02 01/24/08 I don't think John had a set of the Mike's manifolds - Barry'z (NJ) 00:05:29 01/25/08 John thinks Mike's manifolds suck - aliaZ 00:10:04 01/25/08 Buy MSP manifolds, support ethical vendors. (n/m) - ZonaZ 23:45:51 01/24/08 Sad!!!!!! (n/m) - lewoolf2 23:46:47 01/24/08 Holy s.... F.... these guys!!! I'm glad I've never bought - Agner.S(CT) 23:48:07 01/24/08 that won't happen - aliaZ 23:52:10 01/24/08 I already made the post. - Barry'z (NJ) 23:58:11 01/24/08 I guess we'll see how long that lasts (n/m) - aliaZ 00:02:12 01/25/08 Thanks for putting it up Barry. - Agner.S(CT) 00:43:32 01/25/08 2nd. If it stays up it'll be an interesting litmus test - SeedyROM 00:46:06 01/25/08 no surprises, unfortunately (n/m) - aliaZ 00:49:39 01/25/08 Wow, I just looked over there. It looks like people - Agner.S(CT) 10:11:19 01/25/08 Told ya so =) (n/m) - SeedyROM 10:28:44 01/25/08 That's sad. Bookmarked. (n/m) - zfreak(Denver) 23:57:00 01/24/08 Yet another hit to the innovators of 300ZX parts. - SeedyROM 00:12:12 01/25/08 shrug, they're no cheaper than the MS, don't see how - vorpalZ 00:13:48 01/25/08 They kill the real product by selling their junk @ retail - Bernie (NoVA) 02:39:16 01/25/08 for over $ 1000.00, people will buy MS - vorpalZ 08:00:57 01/25/08 They set that price for now but they have the room to - Bernie (NoVA) 11:43:51 01/25/08 *shrug* we'll wait and see (n/m) - vorpalZ 14:37:53 01/25/08 Did they leave JWT Copyright code in it also? - Halo Z 00:16:25 01/25/08 I didnt know we were here to buy Ebay crap - 5280Z_nightstalker 00:20:32 01/25/08 Sig Image, anyone? Perhaps turn it into a window decal? =) - Jinjiro 00:24:14 01/25/08 Testing 1, 2, 3 - SeedyROM 00:39:13 01/25/08 Oh no...my sig is now bigger - collegeboy 00:48:16 01/25/08 Exceptions are welcome in extreme situations =) (n/m) - SeedyROM 00:50:40 01/25/08 LoL! (n/m) - Spongerider :) 01:40:04 01/25/08 AMS did post this yesterday - ZiNnYc 00:26:04 01/25/08 R&D = Rob & Duplicate - aliaZ 00:35:53 01/25/08 Interesting, if i did that in my job... - Mike(La Canada) 01:27:17 01/25/08 AMS - 5280Z_nightstalker 01:29:43 01/25/08 Just like in My Cousin Vinny... "Eye - - - dentical..." (n/m) - Scotts94z32 01:30:13 01/25/08 wow... - maxboost83(WA) 02:11:40 01/25/08 So where are all the Vuk defenders that always pop up to - Bernie (NoVA) 02:25:58 01/25/08 . - ZiNnYc 02:29:49 01/25/08 What's step 2? (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 02:39:50 01/25/08 Step 3... Open the box... (n/m) - TriniTT 03:02:26 01/25/08 Step 4...Take my junk out that boxxx (n/m) - ZiNnYc 03:07:39 01/25/08 LMFAO (n/m) - ENVYMYZ 12:49:58 01/25/08 Vuk's response on 3zc. - ZiNnYc 02:47:34 01/25/08 Uhmmm - ArubaDave 03:02:15 01/25/08 I still don't see whats wrong... - TIG3I2 04:50:29 01/25/08 An you sound like a Liberal, just dong give a F as long as - Eishozzzz 05:51:07 01/25/08 HAHA.. well played sir!! (n/m) - fst300zx 06:09:08 01/25/08 I would call it exactly the opposite... (n/m) - dpjax 06:45:08 01/25/08 I don't think that would be a liberal...... (n/m) - zxtuner161 07:07:04 01/25/08 Re: An you sound like a Liberal, just dong give a F as long - TIG3I2 07:19:01 01/25/08 Exactly wrong. That's called the conservative POV. - ZiNnYc 09:42:03 01/25/08 You should probably leave CA go back to the bible belt (n/m) - Evan(CA) 12:32:30 01/25/08 we blame Z1 for carrying a company that would rip off - fst300zx 06:13:12 01/25/08 no offence matt... - zxtuner161 07:18:03 01/25/08 Manufacturing overseas is one thing, copying products - kuah@splparts.com 08:47:53 01/25/08 Why would Mike Smith not look into overseas manufacturing? - S.Watson 11:10:03 01/25/08 I don't see a major price difference - kuah@splparts.com 11:26:04 01/25/08 so you are looking at it as a humanist.. im looking at it as - fst300zx 21:34:22 01/25/08 Yeah, this is really sad - BlackholeZ 04:51:14 01/25/08 Let the rooster in the hen house, and someone always gets - Turnerscasa (Dallas) 04:55:43 01/25/08 Unless AMS did something illegal all anyone can do is - robo (sebring1970) 05:08:41 01/25/08 I don't agree with AMS, but you are right. It's sad, but - BoostingsidewayZ (SoFL) 16:13:24 01/25/08 wow that is freaking amazing lol.. some guys never learn - fst300zx 06:08:15 01/25/08 Where were all you noble crusaders when ASH ripped off - Tennyson (ATL) 06:17:46 01/25/08 ehh.. i dont like it so i wont give them my money.. (n/m) - fst300zx 06:23:58 01/25/08 Was beginning to wonder where the Z1 supporters had gone. - datzun 08:10:23 01/25/08 Actually, when Ash came out with his ECU - ZiNnYc 09:44:35 01/25/08 RUSSELL!! let us know how you feel about this.. all the - fst300zx 06:22:22 01/25/08 Come off your high horse - Tennyson (ATL) 06:29:16 01/25/08 Vuk or Russell arent going to respond - Alan(NJ) 07:53:23 01/25/08 You all thought this wouldnt happen ????????? - Tektrader69 07:14:27 01/25/08 2nd that ... i wouldn't complain lol (n/m) - zxtuner161 07:19:14 01/25/08 3rd, I want a vendor to copy my oil pan when it - AZHeat 07:30:02 01/25/08 Porter five force model in play.... - AZHeat 07:45:24 01/25/08 damn you it took it to macro class! (n/m) - ZiNnYc 09:46:43 01/25/08 lol, 2nd. (n/m) - inf 13:59:02 01/25/08 I have to agree MS and the rest of us should have seen - CRAZZEPETE. 07:56:01 01/25/08 oh please. AMS lost all credibility - Alan(NJ) 08:05:51 01/25/08 Do you shop at walmart? (n/m) - AZHeat 08:16:00 01/25/08 no, never have - Alan(NJ) 08:27:29 01/25/08 Not yet... (n/m) - tdogzjoint 11:11:03 01/25/08 never said it was right, just predictable, read again (n/m) - CRAZZEPETE. 08:18:40 01/25/08 I'm going to assume you've never ran a business. - datzun 08:07:26 01/25/08 you doubt they cost 100 dollars to make!?! - maglito 08:17:59 01/25/08 If he is using a US foundry then I - Tektrader69 15:21:53 01/25/08 Yes, in california - maglito 16:32:22 01/25/08 Problem with #1 is that MS had to factor in all the - Furb (NoVa) 08:23:29 01/25/08 you are clueless regarding manufacturing costs - aliaZ 08:25:42 01/25/08 Yes, it is normal . The company strategy is how to - AZHeat 08:35:50 01/25/08 While you make valid points - ENVYMYZ 12:56:29 01/25/08 You have all missed the point of my post - Tektrader69 15:00:11 01/25/08 Your volume estimations are WAY off. - maglito 16:38:03 01/25/08 you're still wrong - aliaZ 02:27:09 01/26/08 *sigh* Pretty shady IMO. - datzun 07:57:36 01/25/08 amszstore@hotmail.com - longhornz32(Fort Worth) 08:12:49 01/25/08 i sent an email (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 08:19:28 01/25/08 Before I get out my pitch fork and torch... - dpjax 08:24:06 01/25/08 yeah - aliaZ 08:41:09 01/25/08 another thing... - aliaZ 09:20:13 01/25/08 Agreed. :( (n/m) - datzun 09:24:41 01/25/08 yay! - maglito 10:26:14 01/25/08 Nice sig ;~) (n/m) - Barry'z (NJ) 11:05:36 01/25/08 2nd. (n/m) - MAD_96TT(MO) 17:29:33 01/25/08 Question and a couple points... - eriksu9 09:28:30 01/25/08 No. (n/m) - Kenny 09:37:07 01/25/08 It's business - NICKFLO13 09:38:04 01/25/08 What about the 300degree BMC, our SPL shifter bushings, etc - kuah@splparts.com 09:50:47 01/25/08 It's just another option. - NICKFLO13 09:55:51 01/25/08 Thanks alot, you just confirmed that I should not proceed - kuah@splparts.com 10:29:13 01/25/08 Only if you don't want to - NICKFLO13 10:52:38 01/25/08 I did not say anything about MS manifolds - kuah@splparts.com 11:03:56 01/25/08 Let's compare hard pipes - NICKFLO13 13:49:09 01/25/08 BTW in very real terms - kuah@splparts.com 11:12:49 01/25/08 hurry up on that patent please :) (n/m) - aliaZ 12:32:25 01/25/08 Please don't let idiots like this stop you from bringing new - Furb (NoVa) 12:40:43 01/25/08 Well on the oil thingy, that has applications to all cars - kuah@splparts.com 13:29:22 01/25/08 understood on the oil thingy. I'm in for the v2 arms if you - Furb (NoVa) 13:38:17 01/25/08 same here, looking forward to them (n/m) - TTFairladyZ 15:16:12 01/25/08 This is exaclty the garbage that occurs when AMS pulls this - Keaner 12:59:10 01/25/08 If it is a pet project, the incentive is other than profit? (n/m) - AZHeat 13:09:26 01/25/08 Businesses run on money, not self-esteem. (n/m) - Kenny 13:15:55 01/25/08 Pet project may mean "Hobby". Arguing semantics here again - AZHeat 15:10:45 01/25/08 Pet Project is a project I do in my spare time... - Keaner 15:17:10 01/25/08 Yes, however, if I am going to do something and give it out - Keaner 13:19:24 01/25/08 It may help to team up with an existing vendor who - AZHeat 13:30:58 01/25/08 I have the startup capital... - Keaner 13:34:53 01/25/08 That's good! - NICKFLO13 13:45:57 01/25/08 i agree with you NICKFLO13, it is a business and - mogaffar 09:59:45 01/25/08 I think it would be best to withhold judgement until more - dmv300z 09:48:03 01/25/08 I agree with this statement - pcproa 10:02:26 01/25/08 The argument here is: - dpjax 10:03:11 01/25/08 AMS is not a 'big' guy (n/m) - CRAZZEPETE. 10:52:05 01/25/08 thats not really my point... - dpjax 11:45:48 01/25/08 Did MS patent those? Does the U.S. patent laws apply - MistressZ 10:08:52 01/25/08 Patent doesn't matter: - Keaner 10:26:29 01/25/08 That's all I was curious about. Thx. (n/m) - MistressZ 10:27:33 01/25/08 No problem. Also, I spoke with a lawyer today about this... - Keaner 13:10:08 01/25/08 It would take A LOT to prove that the AMS product - Scotts94z32 10:57:19 01/25/08 Proof is not required... - Keaner 13:12:55 01/25/08 Pictures are up!!! - NICKFLO13 10:17:16 01/25/08 get off his dick already (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 10:23:51 01/25/08 Haha. I don't even have any of his parts. - NICKFLO13 10:28:22 01/25/08 i agree with Jodecy - Alan(NJ) 10:33:32 01/25/08 agreed (n/m) - NICKFLO13 10:37:16 01/25/08 I can see the casting marks on the AMS, look again. - Woody75 (Denver) 17:12:59 01/25/08 My thoughts exactly! (n/m) - rojoloco (Yokosuka, Japan) 18:56:35 01/25/08 Wrong....maybe next time! (n/m) - Agner.S(CT) 23:21:03 01/25/08 lol...you're clueless - aliaZ 10:00:07 01/26/08 I knew something was up when there were only 3 posts - BigTDogg (MA) 10:22:34 01/25/08 I think it is fair to see Vuk's response... - Barry'z (NJ) 10:23:15 01/25/08 ...and that's all she wrote. (n/m) - ZiNnYc 10:26:17 01/25/08 a well written response - maglito 10:43:31 01/25/08 Riding the coattails of others as usual - SeedyROM 10:56:50 01/25/08 There is nothing to prevent the same thing from happening - Barry'z (NJ) 11:08:42 01/25/08 Well - ENVYMYZ 13:10:13 01/25/08 Are you looking at the correct images? - Kenny 13:14:42 01/25/08 I was specifically referring to the - ENVYMYZ 13:22:20 01/25/08 My turn to chime in... - Jodecy 10:26:53 01/25/08 something in your post stood out to me ... - Guapo 10:29:39 01/25/08 cause why should they? If AMS has the capital and - AZHeat 10:51:36 01/25/08 300D is not a copy - Guapo 11:01:50 01/25/08 so, they took an existing product, and improved it, right? (n/m) - CRAZZEPETE. 11:10:34 01/25/08 No, there never was a rail that does what the 300d does. (n/m) - Guapo 11:12:23 01/25/08 I would call that an improvement over Border. (n/m) - AZHeat 11:45:12 01/25/08 That's because you're playing semantics. - Kenny 11:54:16 01/25/08 How do you know? Were you involved with this ? - AZHeat 12:20:39 01/25/08 With which part? - Kenny 12:34:05 01/25/08 I saw prototype designs long before public release. - Guapo 12:48:10 01/25/08 My apology. I didn't realize what was involved in this - AZHeat 14:15:47 01/25/08 My apology, I retract my question . I hadn't - AZHeat 14:13:46 01/25/08 Ur just sad because, you tried to copy an Oil pan that - Eishozzzz 04:13:22 01/26/08 WAIT A sec, member when NYXMOTORSPORTS Copy the Z1 - Eishozzzz 04:10:20 01/26/08 <clap clap clap> (n/m) - NICKFLO13 10:30:44 01/25/08 Miiiight want to get that checked :-/ (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 15:11:24 01/25/08 time for Ash to do some more flow testing (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 10:30:59 01/25/08 I agree in that this happens a lot - RICH1 10:43:17 01/25/08 well said, this is how it works - maglito 10:45:32 01/25/08 Business is Amoral. From my economics class. (n/m) - AZHeat 10:53:02 01/25/08 *immoral, from your spelling class you skipped (n/m) - aliaZ 11:02:25 01/25/08 I think he got it correct... - Barry'z (NJ) 11:11:01 01/25/08 I think that was by accident - aliaZ 11:43:37 01/25/08 By accident? Maybe you should edju-macate yourself - AZHeat 12:08:43 01/25/08 my bad - aliaZ 12:30:03 01/25/08 My degree is in business with computer information - AZHeat 12:35:38 01/25/08 I don't know where you pulled those quotes from... - Kenny 12:42:18 01/25/08 immoral means it's wrong, amorl, means it doesn't apply (n/m) - CRAZZEPETE. 11:17:04 01/25/08 Do you feel stupid trying to look smart by correcting me? (n/m) - AZHeat 11:32:01 01/25/08 nope, thought it was funny tho (n/m) - aliaZ 11:36:48 01/25/08 Me too, after you got corrected. Guess YOU can't know it all (n/m) - AZHeat 12:32:14 01/25/08 never claimed I knew it all (n/m) - aliaZ 12:33:57 01/25/08 Don't have to, that's Kenny's job on this forum. (n/m) - AZHeat 12:36:36 01/25/08 ...and you're my one-man fanclub =). (n/m) - Kenny 12:45:18 01/25/08 You don't give yourself enought credit here. (n/m) - AZHeat 12:48:01 01/25/08 *wipes tears from eyes* - ENVYMYZ 13:14:55 01/25/08 Hey, hey Kenny. I'm your FAN! (n/m) - Keaner 13:41:15 01/25/08 We already all know this. It just screws all of us - SeedyROM 10:49:17 01/25/08 That sucks! (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 10:52:48 01/25/08 I'm on the fence on whether to pay for production tooling - CaliguyPurdue (redesigning) 12:43:24 01/25/08 Exactly. Case in point: the Z car. - cherry 10:54:31 01/25/08 I guess I owe Jag an apology for purchasing my Z. Yeah right - NICKFLO13 11:02:12 01/25/08 Seriously? That's your argument? - ben7021 11:11:47 01/25/08 Read more. (n/m) - cherry 13:07:03 01/25/08 influenced != copied (n/m) - Barry'z (NJ) 14:48:38 01/25/08 Welcome to the "real world" - you are correct sir. - Hawkin"Z" 11:25:09 01/25/08 Well said. Love your Z btw...one of my favorites. (n/m) - MAD_96TT(MO) 17:44:36 01/25/08 Sad to say, but a Patent is must to protect or slow - Piranha(AZ) 10:33:13 01/25/08 most small shops don't have a legal team on retainer - aliaZ 11:04:32 01/25/08 Are the AMS manifolds made in China? (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 11:13:20 01/25/08 Yes they are - aliaZ 14:37:11 01/25/08 Wow thats cheap! (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 14:43:37 01/25/08 Look at the HKS BOV, Is that the one Z1 Is selling link insi - Eishozzzz 04:17:49 01/26/08 A good estimate is approx. $10K for a simple US patent - kuah@splparts.com 11:33:47 01/25/08 yep (n/m) - aliaZ 11:39:33 01/25/08 So I guess this whole situation is the alternative? (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 11:49:03 01/25/08 Yup, there is no real alternative - kuah@splparts.com 12:07:28 01/25/08 Sounds good to me :) (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 12:09:52 01/25/08 That is usually how it works. You have to market yourself - AZHeat 12:14:04 01/25/08 it's a tough business to be in (n/m) - CRAZZEPETE. 12:14:34 01/25/08 you forgot the time, and costs associated with defending it. (n/m) - ni[X]it 14:24:13 01/25/08 <cuts throat> - Ash's Z 11:11:33 01/25/08 I suspect you'll be next (n/m) - aliaZ 11:17:46 01/25/08 you've never taken an existing product and improved on it? (n/m) - CRAZZEPETE. 11:22:45 01/25/08 Sure he has - and his friend told on him - Kenny 11:34:52 01/25/08 is your bookmarked list that long? or can you just pull - CRAZZEPETE. 13:10:26 01/25/08 Kenny doesn't use forum themes, he watches green source - CaliguyPurdue (redesigning) 14:33:13 01/25/08 LOL (n/m) - ZaXxon 13:30:24 01/25/08 what a lovely thread. (n/m) - Halo Z 15:44:16 01/25/08 Irony explosion. (n/m) - Kenny 11:24:11 01/25/08 LoL! :withAtwistOfLime: (n/m) - Spongerider :) 11:41:15 01/25/08 LMAO (n/m) - Tennyson (ATL) 12:27:48 01/25/08 ROFLMAO (n/m) - Spee 17:47:33 01/25/08 Umm, arent you one of the original R&D ppl :) (n/m) - Eishozzzz 04:19:33 01/26/08 What a piece of - ENVYMYZ 12:36:37 01/25/08 Could this possibly be.... - Zleepertt(MD) 13:39:01 01/25/08 I was just going to ask that... (n/m) - Aquaholic1984 13:48:45 01/25/08 it might be, and there is still no concensus - CRAZZEPETE. 13:55:43 01/25/08 Made in China - aliaZ 14:42:03 01/25/08 how do you know this for a fact? proof? :) (n/m) - MistressZ 14:48:30 01/25/08 I know people who know people :) (n/m) - aliaZ 14:52:02 01/25/08 *Deep Throat* (n/m) - AZHeat 14:56:24 01/25/08 ahhh is that what that person was needing your info for. (n/m) - Halo Z 15:45:59 01/25/08 yep (n/m) - aliaZ 16:39:34 01/25/08 glad you 2 made a love connection, ;) (n/m) - Halo Z 16:45:46 01/25/08 Unreal... anybody mind if i make my parts there? - CaliguyPurdue (redesigning) 15:02:41 01/25/08 that is what I'd do - aliaZ 15:04:49 01/25/08 Like the "A" liaZ "TEAM" (n/m) - AZHeat 15:16:40 01/25/08 stop it. (n/m) - Spee 17:56:02 01/25/08 duped..? would not be surprised. I have yet to see a post... - Tu 18:37:06 01/25/08 Well, if it's true, - Barry'z (NJ) 09:47:45 01/26/08 Except that now he'd be scared off from improving it - SeedyROM 15:08:18 01/26/08 yep (n/m) - aliaZ 15:45:24 01/26/08
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